George - It’s ok to say anyone who voted for Trump is racist. We have heard this from liberals.
Clovice - Trump is a racist. That does not mean that people who voted for Trump are racists. It is possible to dance to music without listening to the words.
George - Clovice that’s your opinion .
Clovice - George Yes, it is my opinion that Trump is a racist. I'd love to know your opinion. Here's the definition: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
George - My opinion is Trump is not a racist. Trump wants AMERICANS to be successful. Don’t blame him for trying to fix our immigration problem. And it’s a problem. Obama fits the definition of racist better than Trump.
Clovice - George Racism is what is said and done to promote one race over another, to show or feel discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or demonstrate a belief, that a particular race is superior to another. I base my accusation of Trump as a racist on fact. Calling someone a racist is a serious thing, and I assure you, it is not a term I use without justification. Without proof, it is a slanderous thing to utter against another human being. I would like you to explain your slander against president Obama about how he fits the definition of racist better than Trump. Here is my evidence against Trump:
June 16, 2015 - Trump announced his campaign for president. On that day he said “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems.…They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.” Although fraught with insults, the main operator here is the phrase “They’re not sending you”. The racism exposed is the prejudice against people of other races by saying that non-Mexicans are not consuming drugs, are not criminals, and are not rapists.
December 7, 2015 - At a South Carolina rally five days after the San Bernardino terrorist attack
Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”. To deny entry to the United States of all Muslims is discriminatory and unjust, especially when considering that the attack came from outside the United States. The action was discriminatory because it is predicated on the the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
February 28, 2016 - After disavowing the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, Trump equivocated when he was asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would say flatly that he did not want the vote of Duke or other white supremacists. Most people would rightly conclude that because Trump did not instantly and unequivocally state his opposition to the endorsement, that he is comfortable with the views of the KKK.
June 3, 2016 - Pointing to a black man surrounded by white Trump supporters at a campaign rally in Redding Trump singled out the man and said: “Look at my African American over here. Look at him.” Self-evident.
June 5, 2016 - In a CBS interview Trump said the Mexican ancestry of a federal judge born in Indiana should disqualify him from presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump because of his proposed border wall. This statement is clearly prejudicial, and based upon the race of the judge.
June 2017 - At an Oval Office meeting, according to a New York Times report quoting unnamed officials. A White House spokeswoman denied the report. Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants will never “go back to their huts” in Africa. Self-evident, pure racism.
August 15, 2017 - Days after a woman was killed and dozens injured in Charlottesville, VA, Trump said “You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.…Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.” Aside from the insensitivity and sociopathy in his statements, the fact that Trump sympathized with white supremacists, and their views clearly demonstrated his racism.
September 22, 2017 - Trump called Senator Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas”. Not only is that an intended insult, it is a racist slur.
January 12, 2018 - Trump decries immigrants from “shithole countries” coming to the United States. He also asked why we want people from Haiti and more Africans in the US and added that the US should get more people from countries like Norway. Self-evident racism.
George Mumaw, my opinion about Trump being a racist is based upon his actions and words. Your opinion is baseless, meaningless, and puerile.
George - Wow, your Opinion is right and mine is wrong. Then you back it up with false
Clovice - That is a laughably lame retort George. What's the context of this photo? Was it taken while Obama was president? Was it in an open meeting? What did Obama say about the photograph? What has Obama said or done that is racist? I do know the answers to those questions, and can't wait for your next attempt at a response. Yes, my opinion about Trump being a racist is correct because it is based upon proven fact. Your opinion is wrong... and puerile... as evidenced by this pitiful posting. Oh, George, you're just too much fun!
George - Lame? Truth hurts. Good luck with your brilliant mind, I love my President and what he represents. 6 more years baby!!!
George - Clovice , I truly wish you the best in life. ✌️
Clovice - Why do you love this racist president so much? Could it really be that his racism reflects your values? You wrote that my posting proving that Trump is racist was backed up "with false", but you did not finish the statement. What is false about the facts that I presented? What has president Obama said or done that is racist? Indeed, how does Obama fit the definition of racist better than Trump?
It is fascinating to me that you make statements without actually defending them. I understand the "my team" allure, but really, don't you think we all deserve a truthful political discourse?
George - Oh it’s not fascinating at all to you.You call Trump a racist and say your opinions are fact. I defend him and you disagree. I give my opinion on Obama and consider my opinions as lame, your words. Good luck buddy, I m very comfortable in my own skin, I hope you are as well, sincerely.
Clovice - I call Trump a racist and prove the accusation, which you cannot, and do not refute with anything approaching a counter argument. In fact, you have not defended Trump in any way, except to state your unsupported opinion. Your opinion about Obama is noted, but you still have not been able to support that opinion with fact. What is clear is that, like the racist president that you claim to love, you do not consider facts to be an important component of your political position.
That is what is fascinating to me... and that you are comfortable that way. Unlike you, I am not. It makes me uncomfortable that fellow citizens do not care about facts, that they are perfectly willing to sling wild accusations around without proving them, and that they participate in transmitting untruthful graphic memes without context or analysis.
It is also interesting to me that, when given the opportunity to enter into a reasoned discourse with someone of an opposite position, you are unable to do so. You have not been able to discern Trump's racism, which you apparently support. If you are comfortable with that "skin", at least be honest about that.
George - What I find fascinating is that we disagree on opinions. The facts are debatable as to truth. Still your opinion is the only one that matters. The fact you can’t accept that says a lot. Best of luck.
Clovice - George We are not disagreeing about opinions. There is nothing "debatable" about Trump's statements. They are truly what he said. Your statement "The facts are debatable as to truth" is astonishing. That you cannot understand the difference between fact and opinion is what says a lot.
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